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Ashleaf Dunnes protest in support of Joanne Delaney

category dublin | worker & community struggles and protests | news report author Friday February 10, 2006 20:23author by Jim Report this post to the editors

Members of Crumlin Labour, Labour Youth and friends, family and supporters of Joanne Delaney protested today outside the Ashleaf Dunnes Stores in Crumlin. There was an excellent response from passers as well as extensive coverage from the corporate media including TV3 news and the major (non RTE) radio stations including INN and Newstalk.

The protest lasted for an hour and was supported by local Labour Councillor Eric Byrne, Labour T.D. Mary Upton and Labour Leader Pat Rabbitte in addition to a large number of local residents and supporters of Joanne Delaney. There was no hassle at all with the shopping centre security and the protest moved indoors at a later stage to protest directly outside the Dunnes shop.
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There will be solidarity protests every Saturday outside the Ashleaf Dunnes this Saturday from 12 and for the next three saturdays organised by the Joanne Delaney support group. Everyone is welcome.

The Ashleaf is up by the Submarine Bar which has this nice page of directions on the interweb
http://www.thesubmarine.ie/contact_us/.

If you are coming up the Crumlin road with your back to the Canal you take a left at the Star bingo Hall (ex Roller Disco?) and continue straight on that road it gets you there.

Buses 150,19a,18 and 17.

The 150 and 19 a leave from Dame Street (almost opposite the Central Bank) and are nice and regular.

Related Link: http://www.labouryouth.ie

Joanne Delaney
Joanne Delaney

Pat Rabbite comes along in support
Pat Rabbite comes along in support

Cllr. Eric Byrne, Pat Rabbitte, Joanne Delaney and Mary Upton
Cllr. Eric Byrne, Pat Rabbitte, Joanne Delaney and Mary Upton

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author by Jimpublication date Fri Feb 10, 2006 20:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Excellent protest particulary given that it was on a Friday Afternoon

Lots of media coverage
Lots of media coverage

Protesting outside Dunnes
Protesting outside Dunnes

author by Seamuspublication date Fri Feb 10, 2006 21:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What was Pat Rabbite doing at the protest? A shameless cheerleader of US capitalism and 'partnership' or should that be neuturing of trade unions, has no place protesting against Dunnes. IF he was Taoiseach (ughhh what a thought) no doubt he would be tying down the unions with the scam that is 'social partnership', no different to what Dunnes are doing, Union Busting!

Otherwise, well done to all the protesters and supporters, and of course to Joanne for standing up to Dunnes,
S

author by LY Memberpublication date Sat Feb 11, 2006 16:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If Rabbite wasnt at the protest, you`d probably be complaining. What do you want from him?

author by pat cpublication date Sat Feb 11, 2006 16:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

i reckon seamus is just a troll. this storyline is about supporting a worker who was sacked for wearing a union badge. anyone who (like seamus) tries to derail it by bringing other issues is effectively acting as a PRO for Dunnes.

author by Anarchistpublication date Sat Feb 11, 2006 21:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

How can so many good activists stay in LY when their party parent is selling them so so short at every hurdle??
LY Activists are against pacts with FG,how can they function with any purpose now that the sell-out is going ahead-and don't give me the "autonomous" line..
Solidarity to Joanne and well done to all on the demos-fair play.

author by patpublication date Sat Feb 11, 2006 22:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"anarchist", identifiable anarchists who have responded to sectarian attacks on LY on indy in the past have always understood what a single issue campaign is about. the single issue in this casr is supporting joanne.

if you have other issues to raise then do so on an appropriate storyline. by posting what you have here you are derailing the thread. effectively you are dividing support for joanne.

author by Chris Bond - LY- Personal Capacitypublication date Sat Feb 11, 2006 22:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

First of all i will give you the autonomous line, because its the truth, Labour youth has autonomy with regard to policy rating, thats a fact theres nothing subjective about it. we have taken stances in oppostion to Social Partnership, and the F.G. transfer pact.

Opportunistically derailing every thread and turning them into anti labour rants is typical of certain embittered individuals who constantly post on this site who think that that is every political issue is about looking for an excuse to bash the labour party.

author by Anarchistpublication date Sun Feb 12, 2006 19:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Firstly I am not and was not trying to derail this thread.
The campaign in support of Joanne is a very important one and is one that deserves everybodys support,regardless of affiliation or ideology.

Secondly I was merely pointing out the fact that Labour Youth ARE such a good organisation in many ways and have many genuine,socialist ,active members among their ranks.
I am not attempting to bash Labour at the first opportu ity as some of you have suggested and I am not arsed posting up an article criticising LY as a whole on a different thread because I genuinely dont have that much bad to say about them.

I merely wonder from time to time,knowing as I do many LY activists on a personal basis how they can maintain their faith in the party as its hierarchy drifts further and further to the right.
LY may have autonomy Chris,I knew you would point that out,but what is it only a stepping stone into the senior party-and at the end of the day a youth-wing of that party.

And with the top of the ladder leaning more and more away from the socialist values that many in LY espouse,wheres tyhe sense in staying in and wasting all the talents and capabilities that these activists possess??

Solidarity to Joanne and the campaign-merely wanted to explain my previous post.

author by pat cpublication date Sun Feb 12, 2006 19:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

if you are not trying to derail the thread then stick to supporting joanne.

if you wish to start a thread about labour tthen no one is stopping you.

author by Anarchistpublication date Sun Feb 12, 2006 19:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Read the last comment again and you'll see I have already addressed both your concerns.
I will not repeat myself.

author by Badmanpublication date Sun Feb 12, 2006 19:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Amazing the way that he has apparently swallowed a SPuppy slogan reciting machine.

That's no anti-christ your honour - it's a sock puppet.

author by Mark P - Socialist Party (personal capacity)publication date Sun Feb 12, 2006 23:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well done to all those who have been out protesting in support of Joanne Delaney. It's a disgrace that anyone should be sacked for wearing a union badge.

On the other issues raised on this thread -

It is not inherently unfair or nasty or mean to raise criticisms of individuals or groups who go on demonstrations or take part in some other activity. It would be much more damaging to try and impose some kind of gagging order on legitimate criticism. When the Fine Gael speaker at the Rossport 5 demonstration was booed that was, in my view, a healthy thing. When an opportunist like Rabbitte, a man committed to the partnership process which is destroying trade unionism in this country and who only a few weeks back was playing the anti-immigrant card, turns up for a photo opportunity over an issue like this criticism is only to be expected.

That said, I do object to two things about some of the criticism which Labour Youth get sometimes. One is its repetitive nature. The other is the occasional use of dishonest psuedonyms. I'm not making any judgement as to whether the person posting as "anarchist" above is actually an anarchist or is the same person who belches out the "Labour is not a workers party..." piece like a demented speak your weight machine. It doesn't make any odds to the general points which are that:

a) Impersonation rarely works. Few people are actually convincing when assuming somebody else's political clothes. They either get the language or politics subtly wrong (as a number of people who used to impersonate Socialist Party members here normally did) or they forget some crucial detail (like our friend "Platformist Anarchist" from a couple of years ago who didn't seem to realise that Ireland's very small number of "Platformist Anarchists" all know each other). Impersonation, whether of individuals or of some other brand of activist, tends only to discredit the argument it is intended to advance and to let the intended target off the hook.

b) Making the same statement, with minor variations on the theme, after each and every post to do with a political organisation you want to criticise is not the same as assembling an argument. I am of the view that Labour is a right wing party, no different in essence to its Fine Gael partners. I don't buy the occasional claims made here that there is some significant left wing rank and file to the Labour Party which is better than its leadership. I would rather set fire to myself than vote for one of its smug, careerist candidates. Yet even I get fed up of seeing the same "Labour is not a workers party" spiel over and over again, without any proper argument being made. It doesn't convince anybody and in fact just makes Labour's critics look wierd.

Related Link: http://www.socialistparty.net
author by Hi-Jinxpublication date Mon Feb 13, 2006 00:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Find it amusing that Anarchists comments originally
were only a line long and as she/he was then criticised
rightly for diverting the thread m,many others have taken
the bait and done exactly that.
Since when was commending Labour Youth activists i
n light of their party's shortcomings so reprehensible??

author by roosterpublication date Mon Feb 13, 2006 01:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

ten supporters
very impressive!!!

author by Major Woodypublication date Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Nothing wrong with having a pop at Labour or Labour Youth if your going to assemble an argument around it.

However pretending to be something your not in other to try to disrupt working relationships between members of two other tendencies is something the cops might do but no 'left' should touch with a bargepole.

When that happens it is important it is challenged as this makes such behaviour very counterproductive. It is quite welcome that other individual SP members have also started doing this on a regular basis.

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